By MIKE NALLY
Staff Writer
Garden Grove, CA
Chances are good that if your last name listed in an O.C. phone directory is Hanna or Hannalla, you are a member of the Coptic Christian Egyptian community here.
You are highly educated, well-off, and professions of choice are doctor, lawyer, accountant, car repair specialist, and business entrepreneur. Your faith is very important and you devoutly attend every Sunday morning a liturgy (6:30 am in Arabic, 11:30 am in English) at Archangel Michael Coptic Orthodox Church in Santa Ana. The women, always smartly dressed, jeweled, with the latest hand bags, place a veil on their heads (provided by a church bin) and sit to the right. The men, well-groomed, wearing expensive watches, sit to the left.
After church, some of you will head downstairs to have mediocre coffee and chat with other church members; but many of you will prefer to head to Starbucks at Talbert and Newhope for better coffee and richer, relaxed conversations about family, business, but increasingly, concern and worry over what’s befallen the Egyptian Copt community and your relatives there and the news is not good.
A fringe group of Islamic extremists have been attacking and torching Coptic houses of worship in Alexandria and towns near Cairo.
On a recent breezy Sunday morning, as a stiff wind blew through the palm fronds of trees on the perimeter of Archangel Michael church parking lot — filled with Lexus cars, BMWs, Mercedes, and Hondas — I catch up with worshippers about to enter the stately, stylish Copt Orthodox church, whose altar was consecrated by H.H. Pope Shenouda III of the See of St. Mark (117) on a Sunday (Sept. 20th) nearly 20 years ago.
Virtually all offer the same refrain: “We are fearful of what’s happening to the Copts and our relatives there in Egypt.”
“It is a very difficult situation,” commented Dr. Nashed Hany, a pediatrician from Long Beach. “In Embaba, two Copt churches — St. Mary and St. Mina — were set on fire. It’s disturbing.”
Amir, an engineer who left Cairo to work in Dubai for three years, and came to California with his family just 11 months ago, said: “We are discriminated against by the police, the army, and the government. When we apply for jobs or attend university, we are dealt with in a different way.”
Chimed in Mary, from Huntington Beach, who was attending the liturgy with her ten-year-old son, Abanoub, and has been here 3 years: “Egypt now is difficult. All Christians there are afraid. Some of their daughters have been kidnapped, so we worry…. The Copts all want to come to the United States.”
What did you think of Egypt? I asked her young, feisty son.
“I hated it,” he replied. “The roads are dirty and there are chickens all over the place.”
Farouk Estafanous, 71, of Anaheim, a retired gas station worker, also echoed her thoughts: “It’s not good in Egypt. But we have the power of God, the power of Jesus to watch over us…”
But Jesus, I challenge him, does not seem to be protecting your Copt churches right now.
Farouk shrugs.
“Jesus has given freedom to everyone — even the devil. But I tell you this, at the end of the age, the Lord will come — to judge those who do right, and those who do wrong. The world is in His hands. The Muslims hate us because they say we believe in three separate Gods — father, son, spirit. Many centuries ago, they wanted us to pay tax, convert to their religion, or be killed.”
Farouk then hands me warm Coptic bread from a basket on the church steps.
“Eat, and rejoice in our Lord, our Redeemer.”
I took the bread offered by this humble Copt, and then was introduced to Nabil Hanna (58), an accountant who works in Garden Grove and lives in Huntington Beach.
Hanna, whose intense eyes are framed by large glasses, is a man who resembles a university professor. He also heads up the Coptic Assembly of California, and tells me today, after the liturgy, he will take a busload of church-goers to the Federal Building in Westwood. There they will protest with banners and signs what they believe is persecution of Copts by radical Islam.
What will the signs say?
“End the Islamic jihad against us,” interjects Hanna’s thirteen-year old son, Michael, who stands now by his father’s side.
“Yes,” adds Hanna, “The Muslims think we are infidels because we do not believe in the Koran, so we must be killed. The Koran instructs them to kill the unbelievers.”
I reply that some of these verses — especially “the sword verses” are often taken out of context, just as right wing Christian groups play Scripture roulette with biblical passages to suit their purpose in an argument.
But Hanna remains vigorous in his stance against radical Muslims: “They want to dominate our country, Egypt. So they instill fear by burning our churches. They claimed a Christian girl wanted to become a Muslim, so she was held captive inside one of our churches, and that’s why the Muslims became angry, and invaded Copt property.”
Does that not make you want to fight back, Michael? I ask Hanna’s son.
Michael shakes his head solemnly.
“Let God hurt them, not us,” he says. “The Muslims vandalized the Coptic Church, took the holy oils from the altar, but the ones who did it, ended up punished. They fought and argued over what they stole, and some were killed. Another Muslim’s house near the church also caught fire and burned down.”
“You see — divine retribution,” exclaims Hanna. “We will protest but not do personal violence against Copt attackers.”
The feud between Muslim and Christian is long-standing; Hanna points out and goes back centuries to when 6,000-7000 Saudi Muslims invaded Egypt in 720 AD.
“We should have taken a firm stance against them back then, and Copts wouldn’t have such a problem” says Hanna. “There are some 80 million Arabs in Egypt now. “Close to 15 million are Copts. The rest are Muslim. And 75% of those Muslims are below the poverty line in Egypt, and the young people have high unemployment, so they are forced to steal and make other troubles. There is trouble, even though the (Sunni) Kingdom of Saudi Arabia pays the Muslim Brotherhood $2 billion a year — to keep them out of the Iranian (Shiite) orbit and influence.”
Hanna shakes his head woefully.
“I tell you plainly — Egyptian Copts right now are caught in the teeth of the lion!”
Hanna signals a friend to check on the status of the bus that will take his Coptic protesters to Westwood and the Federal Building. (The bus has not arrived yet). We continue the discussion.
“Thanks, God, for Father Zacharias of California,” says Hanna. “Do you know him?”
I have not heard his name.
“He teaches every night about our religion by satellite cable, and Muslims in Egypt are listening, paying attention to the truths he teaches. From our sources we estimate over 600,000 Muslims are interested in the Christian gospel. But when they attend a Coptic church there, we tell them not to shave their beard, or change their Muslim dress. Just come as they are to the church.”
Interesting I tell him. Have any influential Muslim leaders converted to Christianity?
“Yes! Yes! Exclaims Hanna. “But the government hides it or covers it up!”
Example?
“Imam Faham is one.”
When was this?
“I believe back in the 80s or 90s,” says Hanna. “Imam Faham moved to California and is a Christian now. But the government back in Egypt faked his funeral procession — put sand in his coffin — and paraded it through the streets of Cairo.”
I gesture to the front of Michael Archangel church and tell him I admire the tall, graceful arches, and also the detailed inlaid mosaics. Does it not show the Islamic influence on the Coptic architecture?
“No, no — the other way around,” replies Hanna. “Our Copt churches were among the first in the Roman Empire. The Muslims took all their ideas and style from the Copts. Like their minarets (prayer towers) resemble church steeples. The Muslim women who wear the veil? They stole it from the Catholic nuns and their sacred habit.”
In the interest of fairness, why not invite a leading Islamic scholar or imam to debate you or a Coptic leader?
“Oh, I already have done that, my friend!” replies Hanna passionately. “A few years back in Fullerton I debated with a Muslim cleric.”
And?
“I asked him why God (or Allah) would send down two religions on earth to divide and disturb the people. One of us is a liar. One of us has the true religion. And the Muslim replied: You tell me.”
Hanna answered him: “We, along with the Jews, are the first people of the book. We have been here since the beginning of creation. Your God (Allah) teaches Muslims to kill with the sword. Our God, Jesus, tells us to love our enemies. So your God is the fake one.”
I let Hanna have the last word, and joined other believers headed to the church basement after the liturgy to have coffee and share some more fellowship.
I was chatting just outside the Coptic bookstore located downstairs with the owner who wanted to sell me a book on the ten Coptic virtues. I already know them I smiled and surprised him. They include: Love, faith, hope, purity, patience, humility, and long-suffering … I was then engaged in conversation by an attractive mother of five children, Halwadie, but was interrupted when a dispute broke out between two men in Arabic, but I recognized the word shouted loudly “Al-Quds!” (To Jerusalem!)
I informed her I have been to this holy city but she told me, “We Copts cannot go there from Egypt. It makes me sad.”








